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Can I put "Detect Scene change" option on, if I want to do standard svcd?
Or do svcd need unchanged GOP?
I've understand that DSc adds more i-frames, if needed.
Right?
Yes use 'Detect scene change'
Actually you should use this option in most cases, VCD,SVCD,DVD.
It simply places an I-Frame and begins a new GOP where the encoder detects a scene change.
What do you mean complete?
What do you class as a complete GOP? Do you mean the GOP doesn't need to have the maximum amount of frames it is set for.
SVCD and VCD have no limitation in the GOP layer.
DVD is limited up to 15 frames per GOP for PAL and 18 for NTSC. The GOP doesn't need to have this amount of frames, this value is just the maximum that is allowed in the GOP.
Ok,
thanks a lot.
I have somehow been in belief that all these disc formats have fixed length of GOP.
So, it is possible to make eg. i-frame-only dvd video that is totally compatible with all standalone players as long as one keeps datarate in its limitations (9,8Mbps)?
btw, tmpgenc's help says:"NTSC DVD is restricted to a maximum of 36 frames"
So is it 18 or 36 and in PAL 15 or 30? Or are people just mixing fields and frames?
To be honest with you I have no idea why it says this in the TMPG info. I think it's an error and means fields. The limitation for DVD is definitely 15 for PAL and 18 for NTSC.
Here are some specs: http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/DVD/Book_B/Video.html
An I-frame is used as the basis for every other frame in a GOP. It contains all the important data that makes up an image. The data in an I-frame is complete whereas the data in subsequent frames only contain data in the image that has changed from the previous or next frame.
This is how MPEG compression works as the frames only store data that has changed rather than the complete image. The decoder does the rest by working out what should have been in the frame by the data the I-frames contain.
An I-frame always begins at the start of a GOP and also an I-frame is usually created at a Scene change because the data in that scene has changed from the one previous so an I-frame is inserted so the the rest of frames can be encoded correctly.
An I-frame is harder to compress than other types of frames because because it contains more data, so it's not advisable to create an I-frame only MPEG unless there is some special reason for doing so.
I've got a movie whose AVI filesize is 699MB. I've exported the audio to a WAV file which is 92MB. I've used TMPGEnc and selected the original AVI as the video and the WAV as the audio (obviously). I'm using the wizard as I'm new to making VCD's and at the end of the process it shows that the output file is going to be approx. 1 GB! I've tried playing with the settings but nothing seems to decrease the file size. I'll take screenshots if anyone needs to se what I'm doing.
Have you tried opening the file in virtualdub? know it sounds silly but I get this error a lot. Virtualdub will tell you its a problem with the vbr (or something) just save the file as a direct stream copy and load the new file into Tmpg
Richard I think you misunderstand the question. There is no error in the file.
This is just the final size the MPEG will be. The size is dependent on the length of the movie not the size of the original.
I got the impression that Jasmoe4 is trying to make a Xvcd since he mentioned the wizard. I know a vcd uses 1150kbits and therefore you can only get about 80 mins on a 700mb cd. I just thought I'd contrbute with something I'd learnt.
@jasmoe4: you can get up to 2 hours on a CD-R. Try www.molevcd.de
I use it always but don't expect DVD quality. More VHS I would say. But I can live with that ;O)
Hey lennyp75,
I probably have the same Panasonic as you have & I've also been trying to convert an SVCD with header trick, but have not had any success; wasted quite a few cds in the process. Have you had any luck since and if so would you like to share it? I've tried doing what Minion suggested in his reply to you, but still no luck. I guess I could just go out & buy another player that plays SVCDs, but that would be too easy.
I love to use TMPGEnc to mux my elementary video file with ac3. It gives excellent results with no problems on my dvd. I am wondering if there is any experts who can advise me if there is any utility to force TMPGEnc to accept dts files for muxing as well? I simply love DTS sounds to AC3- robust and more fidelity. I really hope the folks at TMPGENC can come up with a DTS version as well in future.
If you are burning to ordinary CDR and not DVD I'm very surprised that your player even plays MPEGs with Ac3 let alone DTS.
I'm afraid your gonna find that those disks you have made with Ac3 won't work on most other players. I hope your DVD player doesn't fail because when you buy a new one it's likely your disks won't play in it so your gonna be left with a s..t load of unplayable disks.
As for DTS and MPEG there is very little chance even your player could handle this unless burning to DVD.
I guess you would need a DVD authoring package for DTS muxing, but which one is capable I don't know.
DTS and AC3 are 2 Totally different Audio formats, ac3 can be Muxed to a Mpeg video file pretty Easilly useing BBMpeg or Mpeg2VCR But DTS is a Different Story I don"t know of any muxer that Accept DTS but there are a Couple DVD authoring Programs that will accept DTS like DVDLab but that is just for DVD"s, Even if you could get DTS in a VCD or SVCD the Chances your DVD Player will Play it is Next to nill, and AC3 in a SVCD is Possible as My Player will Play them but only on CD-WR But it is hard to find a Program that will Burn SVCD"s with AC3 or DTS for that Matter...
I know I am already asking for trouble by using a non-standard size, but I have a number of animations I ran which I later encoded to MPEG using TMPGEnc. I could have outputed the frames in a more standard size, but since my intention was not to use it on anything but my own system, I chose to leave the image sizes at 800x600. I used only the standard settings from "System (video only)" to do the encoding.
The problem that came up occured when I tried to play them. When playing it in Windows Media Player it produced a series of dotted pink lines on the right edge. Quicktime converted and played them correctly with no visible problem, until I switched to another window, then it showed the same problem as in Window Media Player. Real Player was imho worse, wraping the image around so that the same band of the movie that was mucked up in Media Player was wrapped over to the left side. :p It also wouldn't play in the full size in that anyway, but since I don't use Real Player, I really don't care about that one.
So, is there just something inherently screwed up with WMP and Quicktime that causes these odd colored lines or is there actually some setting I can use to fix it? I suspect, from the act that Quicktime only does it when running in the back ground, that this is just a problem with the way they get played back, but one can hope. ;) lol
I don"t really know what it could be but any time someone starts talking about Pink discoloration on an encoded file with Tmpgenc I think of the Angel Potion codec, Check you system for this codec and delete it as it causes a lot of problems it might be listed in your device manager under video codecs as "apmpeg4v3.dll"...and the only other thing that might help is to Raise the Priority of the "Direct Show file Reader" in the "Vfapi Plugins", this has helped with bad color before...You should try outputting as a Standard Video Resolution like 720+480?? Just a Thought...
Your problem is likely your resolution. MPEG resolutions need to be in multiples of 16 or you will get aspect errors which manifests itself as the problem you have encountered.
800x600 is not a correct resolution for MPEG. It needs to be 800x592 or 800x608, so you need to resize it in TMPG to this resolution.
How do i get the output as a single MPG, not separate wav & m2v files?
Trying out the newer version of tmpgenc, but now the output file is useless as nerovision needs an mpg to work with, which i don't get anymore :(
Anybody know how to turn off the separate stream outputs? (it's greyed out on the final page of the wizard, so you can't just selecct that you don't want it)
I tried to archive mini DV into SVCD of NTSC.
Can anyone give the best encoding setting with the highest quality in mind
for those precious moments?
One major problem I found between the original mini DV and SVCD image
quality is the color. SVCD's video color is not as good as the original.
SVCD images seem washed off and I have to adjust TV color setting to
make it better.
I don't have a DVD burner yet. So I could not really compare how much
difference it really makes. Does DVD video make so much differences in
home made video? I know SVCD images I ripped from the commercial movie
DVD is only slightly lower in quality.
Hope all of the good will experienced friends can help.
Well it is a Good idea to Have the Image in your DV Files cleaned up as much as possible before you encode them useing Maybe the editing Program you use to capture the Footage, and there are Color settings in Tmpgenc you can use to Change the Color or Brighten up the Images and there are Many other Filters you can use, and when it comes to Mpeg the Higher the bitrate the better the Quality will be so useing the Highest bitrate without going above the SVCD Standard would achieve the best quality but I allways use a VBR encodeing Method like CQ(Constant Quality) cuz it gives you the Quality but still keeps the File size as low as Possible..You basicly have to Experiment with some stuff before you get every thing the way you like it...good luck
How do i get the output as a single MPG, not separate wav & m2v files?
Trying out the newer version of tmpgenc, but now the output file is useless as nerovision needs an mpg to work with, which i don't get anymore :(
Anybody know how to turn off the separate stream outputs? (it's greyed out on the final page of the wizard, so you can't just selecct that you don't want it)
You Can"t ,Pretty Much any Encoder as long as you are useing Wav as your Output audio format, You have to set it to "Mpeg 1 Layer 2" Audio then you will get a Mpeg file with Both audio and Video..But you don"t need to do that, Just encode the Wav file that you have to Mpeg 1 Layer 2 then go to "File" to "Mpeg Tools" to "Simple Multiplex" and Load the M2v video file and the Mpeg 2 audio file in and Click "Run" and it will Mux the Audio and Video together..Mostly Low end DVD authoring Programs will only accept Plain Mpeg files....
Ahh, so it's me being a spanner and setting the wrong input settings then, oops.
I use nerovision as it can take a fully converted mpeg and just cut it into VOB files and it's done. I tried Sonic My DVD, and it tooks HOURS and chewed up a big wack of drive space, whereas nerovision only needed about 5 gig of temp space, and the resulting files were much smaller.
IE if i feed a 4 gig mpg into nerovision, it outputs to a fraction over 4 gig, if i feed the same file into sonic My DVD (which then demuxes the file), the resulting files take up nearly 6.5 gig, and i have NO idea why ! :)
Ahh, so it's me being a spanner and setting the wrong input settings then, oops.
I use nerovision as it can take a fully converted mpeg and just cut it into VOB files and it's done. I tried Sonic My DVD, and it tooks HOURS and chewed up a big wack of drive space, whereas nerovision only needed about 5 gig of temp space, and the resulting files were much smaller.
IE if i feed a 4 gig mpg into nerovision, it outputs to a fraction over 4 gig, if i feed the same file into sonic My DVD (which then demuxes the file), the resulting files take up nearly 6.5 gig, and i have NO idea why ! :)
Well Sonic MyDVD Sucks also ,Niether of them will accept AC3 as an audio format which sort of Sucks Cuz Wav takes to much Space and Mp2 is lower Quality ...
I am trying to convert a PAL DVD to NTSC. The length of the PAL movie is 2 hours 14 minutes. The PAL DVD is in one DVD-5 single layer disc ripped to 4.83GB. The PAL video is interlaced, 4:3, 625 line (704x576)
I use TMPGenc to encode output movie.m2v size is 5.998 GB.
That is too big for one single DVD-R disc.
The TMPGenc setting is:
704x480 NTSC (to try to make smaller file)
Frame rate = 23.976
Automatic VBR
DC component precision: 8 bits
Motion search precision: Motion Estimate Search (fast)
What other setting in TMPGenc can I do to reduce file size to 4.9GB and maintain reasonable good quality picture?
The only way to reduce the Size of the Mpeg file is to Lower the Bitrate ,while useing the "Wizard" it will tell you what bitrate to use so that the Movie fits on a DVD-R and a Ntsc DVD has to have 29.97fps as the Framerate unless you are doing 3:2 Pulldown in a seperate Program or your authoring program supports it ,but these are the least of your Problems because You Can"t use Tmpgenc to Properly Convert Pal to Ntsc or Ntsc to Pal, If you try the Movies will have a Jumpy effect especially when there is a Lot of Movement ,you will notice it more on your TV set..You are going to Have to find a Different way of converting the Framerate unless you don"t mind the jumpy effect which some poeple don"t even notice as first, One of the Best ways is to Use AVISynth to frameserve and do the Frame rate conversion or if you have a High end video editor that has a built in encoder like Vegas video 4 or Premier then you can use it to do a Proper Frame rate conversion..I hear that when the version 3 of Tmpgenc comes out it will have Proper Frame rate conversions and many other neat features...
I ripped the PAL DVD to VOB files. I used DVD2AVI to process the VOB files to get the d2v files and ac3 audio files. I used the TMPGenc to encode the video to get a 5.9GB m2v files. I used IfoEdit to DVD author the DVD. So far, the movie looks OK. I do not notice the jumpy part.
The TMPGenc setting, I used automatic VBR - assume this is automatic variable bitrate set by system. If I want to reduce m2v file size, should I select CBR and pick a rate such as 4000?
The input PAL has frame rate of 25, so if I use 23.97 for NTSC, the picture would be jumpy? But when I use 23.976 it would not be jumpy, right?
My advice would be to encode the movie to 23.976 and enable '3:2 pulldown when playback' and check the 'Do not frame rate conversion' filter under the 'Advanced' tab
This will prevent the movie from becoming jerky and will encode it to the correct NTSC framerate. This will also desync the audio so you will have to encode the video first then check it's length and then stretch the audio to match with something like Cooledit.
After that just encode the audio to MPEG and mux with the video.
If you want to avoid all this then you could use AVIsynth's CONVERTFPS command and frameserve the d2v to TMPG which will do a proper conversion and won't de-sync the audio.
Why do you are trying to encode with the stimate movement option fast?
If the source video have good quality, you must always use the bigger stimation, because you will get a smaller video out.
I have DVD's that I need to re-encode - at the highest possible quality - as quicktime files. I need to split the files into chunks also and therefore need to make a bit-for-bit copy of each DVD which I can then save in a format I can export to something like Veedub.
I've used DVD2AVI to create files that can be read by TMPG Enc but then am stuck.
1) I used the 'fil look' cunction in AVI2DVD - how can I change the frame rate in TMPG to 23.976?
2) How can I combine the decoded vob files into a single .avi without losing quality?
3) Why can't I get any of the .avi files I make to play with audio?
I have DVD's that I need to re-encode - at the highest possible quality - as quicktime files. I need to split the files into chunks also and therefore need to make a bit-for-bit copy of each DVD which I can then save in a format I can export to something like Veedub.
I've used DVD2AVI to create files that can be read by TMPG Enc but then am stuck.
1) I used the 'fil look' cunction in AVI2DVD - how can I change the frame rate in TMPG to 23.976?
2) How can I combine the decoded vob files into a single .avi without losing quality?
3) Why can't I get any of the .avi files I make to play with audio?
I need to take all the video from a DVD, chop it into 20 minute chunks and then encode each chunk as a high quality Quicktime file.
I intend to use VirtualDub or Premiere to cut the file into sections but need the file as an AVI to load it into these programs.
How can I turn the VOB files on a DVD into a single AVI file and lose as little quality as possible? As I need to use quicktime as the final format I want to lose as little information between the DVD and the intermediate AVI as possible.
I need to take all the video from a DVD, chop it into 20 minute chunks and then encode each chunk as a high quality Quicktime file.
I intend to use VirtualDub or Premiere to cut the file into sections but need the file as an AVI to load it into these programs.
How can I turn the VOB files on a DVD into a single AVI file and lose as little quality as possible? As I need to use quicktime as the final format I want to lose as little information between the DVD and the intermediate AVI as possible.
You DON'T need to create an intermediate AVI this will just lose quality and is a waste of time.
All you need to do is create a d2v and wav with DVD2AVI then load the d2v into the VFAPI converter or AVisynth. This will quickly create a suedo AVI that can be loaded into any AVI compatible program.
I wanted to put 3 files onto VCD but it won't fit so I set off cutting out the ending credits and opening credits. But, it came out inaccurate! How do I get it accurately? I believe it was the same frame, but after multiplexing it, it didn't even cut the intended part (but cut another part that wasn't supposed to be cut). Is there an easier way to cut? This is what I did:
1. In "MPEG Tools>>Merge & Cut", I added the MPG I wanted to cut. I double-clicked it. On the blue scroller, I scrolled to the point where the first part ends and clicked }. Then I clicked Run.
2. Then, I go to the end of the cutted part and clicked {, then at the end of the MPG file, I clicked }. Then I clicked Run.
3. Then I use "Multiplex".
But it ended cutting the wrong part. In the scroller part, the display image isn't fast enough and doesn't show the intended video. Is there a way to make it fast enough so it works efficiently like the one in "Source Range"? And, is there an easier cutting method?